the chandelier song SUCKS BIG TIME! i still like the orange and lemons version. KAYA KAHIT ANO PANG SABIHIN NILA LOVE KO PARIN ANG PINOY AKO SONG, ADAPTATION MAN O NOT. THANK YOU.

ngek! ano bang klaseng pag-iisip yan... wisit!

Pati fans in denial ...

Adaptation, my foot. How about copied and ripped off?

Pambihira naman o.

adaptation.

Just some rebuttals for fans-in-denial: This thing is being discussed and OnL is being taken to task not because of ???crab mentality??? or ???inggit.??? The fact remains that the song (whose spirit and lyrics were provided by a lyricist & not OnL) is about being Pinoy and about proudly proclaiming what we are capable of. Hence, a lot of us patriots cannot take this thing sitting down??We know we are more than great copycats and innovators/samplers! We have a lot of talent and we want this to shine through! We want to be recognized for who we really are and what we can do! We don???t want to sell ourselves short by clamming up for the sake of so-called ???peace??? and let ourselves be represented by a song - a band - an image ??? that grossly misrepresents who we proudly are and what we can really do! Clamming up and ???settling??? for less than what we deserve has been our sin for so long??We don???t want Pinoy music, which makes up a large part of our identity, and its industry to be a macrocosm of our political landscape and social suffering now do we?

We have a lot of superb, young bands with excellent material just waiting for the proper break. It???s just a shame that the influential PBB media machinery was used on a project that sells us short. (Note that I said ???project??? and not ???band???. Pinoys are forgiving to a fault and OnL will surely get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance.) Whoever ABS gets to sing (not even compose) the PBB theme song will influence Filipinos far & wide, they???ll be a household name. Recall just how far OnL has gone because of this project??Now imagine, sitting in their place now, another of your favorite OPM bands who are still not getting the recognition they deserve. Now you see what I mean? There are a lot of them out there?? I???m not saying OnL is not deserving. It???s simply that the resources could have gone further and done more good had it been handled better. And we are voicing this out so that PEOPLE LEARN THEIR LESSONS & NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKES.

On the more technical side: It isn't just an adaptation. And neither is it sampling. And even if The Care were merely sampled, all the more it requires artist credits. And it cannot be just ???similar???, ???inspired by??? or ???pegged on??? Chandeliers either, because of the uncanny similarities in chords, notes, and arrangements of guitars/banduria, drums and bass lines. Neither can it pass the ???7 chord progression rule??? (which itself is debatable). The similarities overwhelm that rule. It???s not just the intro, it???s not just the verses. The chorus, contrary to Clem???s claims, seems the same. And it???s not hard at all to sing Pinoy Ako???s lyrics to Chandeliers instrumentation (contrary again to Clem???s claims). The main melodies are identical. And as I found out, even Pinoy Ako???s bridge has the same chords/melody as Chandelier???s coda. And if you still don???t believe me, listen to this mash-up I made, a response to OnL???s challenge to match the two songs note for note ??? an unedited Chandeliers panned mostly on the left channel, running side by side with Pinoy Ako on the right channel spliced to match respective stanza-chorus-coda/bridge counterparts part-per-part:
http://media.putfile.com/pinoychandelierstayo
Tell me if you still think that is not the same song with different lyrics sung to fit?

yep the songs are of the same tune but not all are "copied" i guess. The transition before the chorus is different.

What transition? The drum roll? That's not exactly considered as a difference. Right before the chorus are the verse parts, which are clearly copied. the only thing i spliced out are the 2nd instances of the chorus - Pinoy Ako does chorus melody twice each time around to accomodate the lyrics which Jonathan Manalo wrote - and a reprise of the intro banduria in the middle of the song. In effect, there are just 3 parts to the song: A, B and C, (not counting the intro which is simply a breakdown of the main melody), where A are the verse parts, B is chorus, and C is coda (fading out eventually) in Chandeliers but used as bridge in Pinoy Ako before going back for another chorus. So were you referring to the reprise of the intro as the "transition"? It's not different, it's the same as the intro guitar/banduria, which even my 5-year old nephew recognizes as the same in the two songs.

hi decare..obviously, m new here but with rgards to 80s songs, i guess m a "veteran" coz heck, i lived the era! hehehe...whoa, that dates me, doesn't it? anyway, due to the crummy "blocking / firewall" here in our ofc, i can't access or download the mash-up...cud u pls be so kind to forward it to my email? man, i'll be forever grateful..thanks in advance...cheers!

disco_biscuit
what's your email, man? i think we're about the same age hehehe!

dacare,

Basahin mo dito ang mga poste nila Archie and Mark na taga-egroup din nila....yun ang live feed ika nga sa denial nila kasi parepareho kaming miyembro ng egroup na iyon....

INAMIN TALAGA! MAGBAYAD SILA!

I;m typing this comment whilst listening to the mp3 at hindi talaga maitatatwang PLAGIARIZED ang Pinoy Tayo song. No wonder it sounds "foreign".

A NOTE TO ALL ONL FANS:

PLAGIARISM IS A CRIME. If they really "adapted"/"sampled" the song, it should have been mentioned as such in the first place (perfect example is madonna's latest single "hung up" na may sample ng "gimme gimme gimme" ng abba).

but noooo, it was promoted as an original song, and people believed that.

Again, PLAGIARISM IS A CRIME.

this song from chandelier sucks a lot!!!! many bravos to ivan.......

decare,
wow, quick replies ain't my strong point! hehehe...it's "luckymikeyus@yahoo.com" man...thanks in advance! same age? well, let's just say that when DWXB 102 was lording it over here in manila, i was a hi-school sophomore...man, i miss those days..."here's the 102 version of Altered Images 'happy birthday'..." morning man, cool carla...ur right, the outro of chandeliers were the bridge of O&L's song...oh well, dont want to start anything here...peace sa lahat! hehehe...

ok yung halos full length side by side arrangement ah. pakiupload din sa rapidshare para downloadable. si sancho din ba si decare o different person? if im not mistaken si sancho gumawa nung 1st, shorter left ear-right ear mp3 ng 2 songs.

i-ban din dapat sa lahat ng music awards yang pinoy ako at OnL until they grow the balls to own up to their mischief.

nasa US watchlist pa naman tayo ng IPR violators... tapos marami pang nadagdag na mga pasaway na banda

isoentropic, agree. Oh my God, the sheer temerity of this band to do this totally raises my hackles.

And I agree totally with dacare's post. We need to make this known para matigil na itong pag-pe-plagiarize na iba. Kakahiya.

Mga Kaisip:Come To Think Of it:

Nung Kasagsagan Mg Meralco Issue,Pinagtanggol ng Kapamilya Ang ABS....

Nung Napahamak Sila sa Noli-Arroyo Scandal,Pinagtanggol Nila Ang ABS...

So Wag Tayong Magtaka Kung Pati Yan,Pinagtatanggol Pa ng Kapamilya.....

my sister sadi that ONL claims sa the buzz na may ibang composer yung Pinoy Ako. Ano ba talaga, Kuya?

baka they were referring to the one who wrote the lyrics - si Jonathan Manalo

if they were referring to the melody - sina Ian Broudie at Paul Simpson (The Care) yung sinasabi nilang ibang composer ng parts ng melody ng yoniP okA

ei, decare my man...guess what? m still waiting for the "mash-up"! hehehe...

I can't believe this issue is still on fire upto to this moment.. I know alot had moved on but most cant still help it.Truthfully, the whole thing is disappointing, but knowing the group personally, i believe they were really misquoted.. you'll never know if writers made some twists there to make the issue a hot item.. Everytime i find a similar note from one of onl's songs to a existing, airplayed , well-known song or basta yung mga nauna na, i ask them if it was indeed inpired by another song and they dont deny it..especially Clem. (E most of the time siya naman ang in-charge sa arrangements ng songs). These guys want to keep it real and maintain their soles on the ground.. My heart goes with them for the reason that i really know these people, the nights they sacrifice away from their families because of the blood-draining schedule they need to keep up with. One night at a bar in the Metro, then a gig at a very plane-remote barrio the next day, then back to the studios in Manila for a recording or guesting the day after. And take note, they are always on-time! I can see how these guys run around with bags under their eyes, protruding cheeks bones, and dazed-looks but still manage to display deflated egos and the biggest smiles you can ever imagine. That's how dedicated they are with what they are doing. Well everyone can see that inspite all these chaos..they still continue to move skyward..a new commercial jingle, a movie track, billboards galore and the unending guestings and gigs nationwide. This world will try and try to put them down but since they carry goodness in their hearts, i can't see how that'll be possible